Curse

distilledwill · May 29, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by upier

After the change to [Death Pact Signet] I don't see any reason to use it over [Flesh Of My Flesh] on heroes.

Its still OK as a no-energy hard res, but I have replaced it on my SS for [[Flesh Of My Flesh] to avoid DPS chains.

fenix · May 30, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

I see. I was looking for strong generic build, like sabway, that can be used for most HM areas but can be used in low corpse areas and doesnt require SY. Anyway thanks for sharing the build.

I had some success with a defensive version of Rac's Paragon builds though:

[SoP Motivation Paragon;OQCjUqnK6OubVsIuCniLyKY5NA]

[DA Command Paragon;OQCkUum45guk7mooCWRm82EWP2FG]

That "Motivation" paragon is pretty average. Needs either more Motivation, or less, because at the moment it's not worth the attribute spec. It at LEAST needs Ballad of Restoration, but I would also bring Chorus, for the casters to get healed. Also, the elite is bleh. Bring SoR, because the PvE version is good again.

DarkSpirit · May 30, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by fenix

That "Motivation" paragon is pretty average. Needs either more Motivation, or less, because at the moment it's not worth the attribute spec. It at LEAST needs Ballad of Restoration, but I would also bring Chorus, for the casters to get healed. Also, the elite is bleh. Bring SoR, because the PvE version is good again.

Sounds like the build that I tried before and discarded due to poor performance in Dalada Uplands HM where mass conditions are everywhere. Chorus heals the paragons by the way. Sab's N/Rt healer can spike heal much more than that within 20s, comparatively if I need a healer, I would bring the N/Rt. Besides, not every party member would need healing most of the time. Healing needs to be concentrated to those who really need it, not diluted to those who dont.

Super Igor · May 31, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Yeah I think [flesh of my flesh] is aweasome, yes it costs enrgy and can kill the caster but no rechrge ressing is so great, DPS is good too.

DarkSpirit · Jun 01, 2008, 07:05 AM // 07:05

I find that this build works better than the N/Rt restoration healer in general:

[build name="Ether Restoration Ele" prof=E/Rt box ene=12+1+3 res=12][Ether Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Death Pact Signet][/build]

...it is not dependent on Soul Reaping and the fiends/shamblings MM does not generate enough energy for the N/Rt healer sometimes, unlike the bone minions MM.

And my SS is starting to looking like that:

[build name="SS Channel Curse Necro" prof=N/Rt box sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 cha=10][Ancestors' Rage][Weaken Armor][Defile Defenses][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Enfeebling Blood][Signet of Lost Souls][Splinter Weapon][/build]

...yes, no elite but I like AR. Especially when I am playing my warrior.

Master Necromanz · Jun 01, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I am necro whats for my the best choice wich heroes to take with?

Introverted Dimensions · Jun 01, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Master Necromanz

I am necro whats for my the best choice wich heroes to take with?

You can either run as the SS necro or the N/Rt healer, then the other slot is totally up to you.

DarkSpirit · Jun 01, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Master Necromanz

I am necro whats for my the best choice wich heroes to take with?

I would replace the curse necro hero with a [[Cruel Spear] or [[Stunning Strike] Paragon, something like:

[Cruel Spear Paragon;OQCjUumI6SubMYBZiiWYVYXYybA]

...and I would make my necro character into a curse necro, something like:

[AP Curse Necro;OAdTYwD7VaBqMwOIRYXMmUu0SAA]

Master Necromanz · Jun 01, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Dark ... so:

- AP NUKER
- HERO: STUNNING STRIKE OR CRUEL SPEAR (whats the best choice?)
- HERO: MM
- HERO: N/RT HEALER WITH WoR

Is this ok?

DarkSpirit · Jun 01, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Master Necromanz

Dark ... so:

- AP NUKER
- HERO: STUNNING STRIKE OR CRUEL SPEAR (whats the best choice?)
- HERO: MM
- HERO: N/RT HEALER WITH WoR

Is this ok?

Sounds fine to me. Stunning Strike would give the awesome dazed condition but I am skeptical on how well hero Paragons use that so you may need some micro-managing if they dont use it well. Cruel Spear gives Deep Wound and nice damage.

Master Necromanz · Jun 01, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

Than very much!

Shouldnt I take a ele with ether renewal healer instead of the WoR healer??

DarkSpirit · Jun 01, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Master Necromanz

Than very much!

Shouldnt I take a ele with ether renewal healer instead of the WoR healer??

You can try them both and see which one works better. I find the ether renewal healer works alittle better since he is not reliant on the Soul Reaping from the MM. But others may feel differently, I dont know.

xxx wraith xxx · Jun 02, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

dont know either about a paragon hero being able to use stunning strike but i know that a W/P is a real efficient daze-bot

Master Necromanz · Jun 02, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I think i take another teambuild the discord teambuild from cathode, i have all the skills now so i am testing it tomorrow... I think thats better then sabway but I dont know.

Dumah · Jun 03, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

I don't have factions, and was wondering if there is a monk build that works as a suitable sub for the N/Rt; I'm able to run the other two builds. I've been using Margrid with Ebon Dust Aura and Volley, which is a huge help against the melee destroyer units, and the healer hench. Any input is appreciated.

DarkSpirit · Jun 04, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

I like Dwayna's Sorrow for the secondary healing but I also like having the higher level minions and Aegis. This is what I ended up with:

[SS necro;OANDY5xdS5BlBMi2B7OGNVV7EA]
Replace Vengeance with Res Chant or another Res of your preference.
[Jagged MM;OANDUslfSLVTBKgoBLCJgBEVVA]
[Restore Healer;OAhjYghsoOYsMm0cyNMHnV1kLA]
Energy and Health are important to a healer, so I put in a Signet of Lost Souls, but you may have to set her to guard so she would use it.

Sethellington · Jun 04, 2008, 10:06 AM // 10:06

I'm a necro, but I tend to run Ursan (commence flaming) and the 3 standard builds. I flag heroes back as i run in, just out of aggro, not bubble away, take all agrro. This way, A single target is much easier to heal. I used to run the SS myself and take a SoR para, but I think the new way is faster in all honesty.

Sab · Jun 04, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Here are some other templates I sometimes run instead of the N/Rt.

[build prof=P/? spe=10+1+2 comma=9+1 mot=10+1 lea=7+1][Song of Restoration][Vicious Attack]["Go for the Eyes!"][Ballad of Restoration]["Never Surrender!"]["Fall Back!"][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return][/build]
[build prof=P/? spe=12+1+2 comma=9+1 lea=9+1][Cruel Spear][Vicious Attack]["Stand Your Ground!"]["Never Surrender!"][Anthem of Flame]["Fall Back!"][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return][/build]
[build prof=P/W tac=9 spe=12+1+2 lea=9+1][Stunning Strike][Vicious Attack][Blazing Spear]["For Great Justice!"]["Watch Yourself!"][Anthem of Flame][Aggressive Refrain][Signet of Return][/build]

I haven't ran a Monk hero for a while, but it'll free up the secondary on the MM. I'd try something like:

[build prof=Mo/E hea=12+1+1 pro=10+1 div=8+1][Light of Deliverance][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Guardian][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy][/build]

Mighty Sorcerer · Jun 06, 2008, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I know this is an old thread but i would like to know what items u use on the 3. Paragons if u can tell me Sab? xD .. Thx

Btw i love u N/Rt build GJ !

Spike Stritter · Jun 07, 2008, 06:20 AM // 06:20

So any reason to use DPS over FomF or is it just personal preference? And to my understanding DPS doenst cause DP if u die under it so if u decide to rez in a fight and you get wiped with a DPS chain no real penalty. and if u survive the fight grats to you no penalty either. hmmm im kinda contradicting myself cuz i preferred FomF until now and rambling at the moment. Wanna clear this up for me?